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mre

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Assignment #19: League of Nations DBQ


Use this thread to collaborate on the DBQ tonight by 1) sharing your analysis of 3 documents and explaining how you would use them, 2) contributing to a growing list of outside information and 3) demonstrating your thesis statement and responding to another student's thesis.

Evaluation: You will be awarded 30 points for sharing your analysis of 3 documents, 20 points for contributing to the list of outside information with at least 5 terms, 25 points for adding your thesis and 25 points for responding collaboratively to another student's thesis.



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Dan S.

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Here is my stuff on the Documents.


Document A (For the opposition argument):

This document is saying that the League of Nations is undesirable to the American people because not only would it be a tribunal of non-American peoples, but that they wouldnt have elected them in the first place and this tribunal would have its own army to enforce its decrees and effectively police the world.This is in itself against what Woodrow Wilson or anyone else wants, more fighting and war.

Document B (For the opposition argument):

This document is against the Treaty of Versailles as it has been revised too much and does not satisfy to aspiration of releasing the world from class-bondage and exclusive ambitions.The Liberals were hoping for peace but the treaty has given them only something that serves to intensify the dissent in Europe.

Document C (For the President argument):

In this document Woodrow Wilson is stating that if you do not ratify or support his proposition and Article X, which calls for a League of Nations, then you have made this War pointless as it will not achieve what it was suppose to, according to Wilson.The League of Nations to him was suppose to be the remedy for future wars.

Document D (For the President argument):

In this Herbert Hoover expresses his want to see the treaty ratified as quickly as possible to see the League of Nations created as soon as possible to try and fix the mess up sooner.By doing this quick and showing it in work, it will gain public support but as words it will not.

Document E (For the opposition argument):

This picture shows that the Senate is completely messing up and ruining the reconstruction of Europe by not allowing the U.S. to become more involved with them to do greater help.

Document F (For the opposition argument):

In this document the author puts the blame on the French for destroying Wilsons Fourteen points saying that they had other interest and better things to do.They also say that what the European powers did when making Germany take all the blame was detestable and abhorrent even if it were to better other peoples.

Document G (For the President argument):

In this document Woodrow is making an appeal to the U.S. to ratify the treaty as it would be doing what the Founding Fathers would have wanted, meaning that we would become a model country which others would look to.It would also fulfill our role in helping other countries and help clean up after a mess we were involved in.If you oppose this then you would not want the U.S. to be a beacon of hope to the rest of the world.

Document H (Unsure):

In this document is bashing isolationists and the conflict between Woodrow and the Senate and also states that despite these inane happenings and the fact that it cannot dictate what the world does that the U.S. should still participate in world affairs as it is apart of them and it cannot escape that fact.

DocumentI (Unsure):

Here Jane Addams says that while people argued about how the League of Nations should be constructed and what rules should govern it they all agree that there is a need for some type of organization to be put in place to handle international affairs.



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Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.)

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Thesis 

     The strength of the opposition was the key factor leading to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles in the Senate because the republican controlled senate had been alienated by the President, the opposition wanted to amend it, and the public sentiment that the U.S. should stay out of European affairs.


Outside Information

Fourteen Points

U.S. Business and laissez faire

States rights Democrats

Henry Cabot Lodge

Entanglement

Isolationist

German and Italian immigrants

IrreconcilableSenators Borah & Johnson




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Anonymous

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Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.) wrote:

Thesis 

     The strength of the opposition was the key factor leading to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles in the Senate because the republican controlled senate had been alienated by the President, the opposition wanted to amend it, and the public sentiment that the U.S. should stay out of European affairs.


Outside Information

Fourteen Points

U.S. Business and laissez faire

States rights Democrats

Henry Cabot Lodge

Entanglement

Isolationist

German and Italian immigrants

IrreconcilableSenators Borah & Johnson








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Breanne

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Anonymous wrote:

Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.) wrote:

Thesis 

     The strength of the opposition was the key factor leading to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles in the Senate because the republican controlled senate had been alienated by the President, the opposition wanted to amend it, and the public sentiment that the U.S. should stay out of European affairs.


Outside Information

Fourteen Points

U.S. Business and laissez faire

States rights Democrats

Henry Cabot Lodge

Entanglement

Isolationist

German and Italian immigrants

IrreconcilableSenators Borah & Johnson

Senate
pluralism
League of Nations
Big Four
Alliance system
Treaty of Versailles











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Ashley Baldo

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Document A

William Borah in his speech to the Senate on 12.6.1918 is opposing the League of Nations on the grounds of the tribunal to settle matters between countries in the league.  He does not believe that our affairs should be subject to other countries eyes or approval/disapproval.  He is also saying that this is where the difficulty with the Fourteen Points is.

 

Document B

The New Republic wrote on 5.24.1919 that the war was fought for nothing the people hoped for, because we are still in a mostly imperialist world ruled by classes in everyday life.

 

Document C

Woodrow Wilson said in his speech in 9.5.1919 that the articles and the Covenant of the League of Nations are vital in his part to ending the war and starting peace.  He is saying that he is not able to get these goals accomplished so they fought the war against wars, or so they thought, and now they are not able to achieve those lofty aims.

 

Document D

Herbert Hoover said to Woodrow Wilson on 10.19.1919 that he liked the League and thought that they should be ratifying it right away, and that not doing so was detrimental to the formation of the league and the rebuilding of Europe.

 

Document E

This is a political cartoon depicting a marriage during peace proceedings between foreign entanglements and Uncle Sam, or so it appears.  Then as the minister asks for objections the U.S. Senate bursts in with their constitutional rights in hand.

 

Document F

John Maynard Keynes in Economic Consequences of the Peace in 1920 said that Frances delegate Clemenceau is showing that this was but a battle in the war against Europe and that they will not really stop fighting.  Also he abhors the thought of degrading Germany in such a way that was suggested and it should not be done under any circumstances.

 

Document G

Woodrow Wilson in his Appeal to the Country on 11.3.1920 said that this presidential election was based on his fourteen points and the League of Nations as the main points in the campaign.  He is saying that his opponents would quench the light that America is supposed to provide for the rest of the World.

 

 

 

 

Document H

W.E.B. Du Bois said about The League of Nations in Crisis in 3.1921 that 41 nations have already joined the league and it is a folly for the united states not to become a part of this worldly affair.

 

Document I

Jane Addams said in Peace and Bread in time of War in 1922 that women at The Womans Peace Party meeting in 1920 were divided on the subject but united in the fact that they believed there needed to be some sort of international organization.

 

http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/versailles.htm (the treaty and about it)

http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/President_Wilson%27s_Fourteen_Points (14 points and about them)

http://www.123helpme.com/preview.asp?id=42911 (speech by Wilson to the Senate)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/01/03/woodrow_wilson_at_150_fourteen/ (about Wilson himself)

 

 

Thesis

            It was the actions of the Senate against actions of Woodrow Wilson and the Fourteen Points he had devised that led to their not being ratified. 



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Breanne

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Doc. A

Saying that by settling the war with a treaty won't really stop the war, it will be a useless piece of paper.

Doc. B

States that a treaty doesn't make up for all the pain we have caused other nations, it just blames the war on someone else.

Doc. C

Wilson states that by not joining the League of Nations, we have not come together with the other countries like he promised the American soldiers that we would.

Doc. D

Says that once the US joins the League of Nations, the country will fully understand that we need to help the other nations.

Doc. E

France believes in systems other than the 14 points, and believes the war-affected countries will be fine without them.

Doc. G

Wilson doesn't believe in an end of the war until the TREaty is signed so it will make right everything the country did, and also make us feel honorable.

Doc. H

The Women's Movement could have had more effort put forth into it, if not for the talk of the League of Nations, which took up time and attention, to really get our country nowhere.

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Breanne

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Treaty


The opposition to the treaty was the main factor resulting in the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles because the President had completely bypassed the Senate when he came up with the idea, the Senate didn't want to get the country riled up in more problems with the European continent, and too many important people disagreed with Wilson's views on the League of Nations.





I liked Dan's thesis. It covers the main topics brought up against the treaty and is broad enough to be able to discuss many articles and documents under each one of his points.


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mre

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Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.) wrote:

Thesis 

     The strength of the opposition was the key factor leading to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles in the Senate because the republican controlled senate had been alienated by the President, the opposition wanted to amend it, and the public sentiment that the U.S. should stay out of European affairs.


How can you claim that the strength of the opposition forces was alienated by the president?  Doesn't that make a case for the other option (stbborness)?  Will you be able to prove that the public wanted to stay out of the war?  Evidence?  Of course the opposition wanted to amend it, but was it the strength of the opposition's arguments that caused its failure?

Let me know what you think.


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mre

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Breanne wrote:

The opposition to the treaty was the main factor resulting in the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles because the President had completely bypassed the Senate when he came up with the idea, the Senate didn't want to get the country riled up in more problems with the European continent, and too many important people disagreed with Wilson's views on the League of Nations.


Actually, the president didn't bypass the Senate.  The Senate has the constitutional obligation to ratify treaties.  There's no way around that.  What the president did was to take his message to the American people, in the hope that the Senate would change their minds.  It also wasn't true that the Senate became isolationist.  Remember that the US sends troops to the Soviet Union in 1920-23 to help the Tsarist forces try to recapture Russia.  That's not isolationist.  Its foreign policy that meets our interests, decided by our people, not their (allies).  Specificty helps here.



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mre

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Ashley Baldo wrote:

Thesis

            It was the actions of the Senate against actions of Woodrow Wilson and the Fourteen Points he had devised that led to their not being ratified. 

OK, but you need to explain what specifically the Senate's arguments were (its opposition) to the League that caused more to vote agains Wilson's stance without amendments to the treaty.  Why wasn't it ratified specifically?



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Erin

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Breanne wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.) wrote:

Thesis 

     The strength of the opposition was the key factor leading to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles in the Senate because the republican controlled senate had been alienated by the President, the opposition wanted to amend it, and the public sentiment that the U.S. should stay out of European affairs.


Outside Information

Fourteen Points

U.S. Business and laissez faire

States rights Democrats

Henry Cabot Lodge

Entanglement

Isolationist

German and Italian immigrants

IrreconcilableSenators Borah & Johnson

Senate
pluralism
League of Nations
Big Four
Alliance system
Treaty of Versailles




Herbert Hoover
W.E.B Dubois
Great powers
William E. Borah
German-Americans
Reservationists
Election of 1920
Warren Harding










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anna =]

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Thesis Statement

The strong opposition of the Treaty of Versailles, which included the Senate's unwillingness to recognize America's place in the changing world and the senate's doubts about joining an organization run by others led to the treaty's initial defeat, rather than the stubborness of President Wilson.

Document Analysis

Document A

William Borah is giving a speech to the senate. He feels that we shouldn't join a league or group that has been created by people other than our own and that requires that we practically give up the command of our army so it can fight other countries' battles.

Document B

The New Republic states that the Treaty of Versailles didn't do what a treaty should do. It didn't attempt to solve any of the problems that were trying to be solved and instead it made the situation more complicated.

Document C

President Woodrow Wilson is giving a speech. In it he says that he is sorry for sending his boys across the seas to fight for something they did not recieve. He wanted this to be a war to end wars but that failed to happen and so he is sorry for the lives that were sacrificed for this lost cause.

Document D

Herbert Hoover is speaking to President Wilson and is saying how the League, once put into action could be a positive thing but if we don't make a decision soon, then the American people will lose interest.

Document E

This picture is displaying a marriage between Uncle Sam and Foreign Entanglements in which the minister is the League of Nations. He asks if anyone has any objections and here come the U.S. senate, depicted as Henry Cabot Lodge with the constitutional rights in his hand, prepared to ruin everything.

Document F

John Maynard Keynes says that France believes it has won a round of a very long, age old European battle, which the americans are cluless about (in the eyes of the europeans at least).

Document G

President Wilson is speaking to the country and is saying that the founding fathers of America sought for this nation to be a guiding light in world peace and to be very invovled in people's rights. He believes that by joining the Laegue of Nations, we will be carrying out our duty as a country.

Document H

W.E.B Du Bois says that we should join together with the other nations of the world and stop trying to act like a king or a ruler. Instead of thinking that we can dictate orders to nations and not partake in things that aren't to our particular liking, we should be thinking of how we can work together for the greater good.

Document I

Jane Addams says how the Women's Peace Pary held its annual meeting in 1920 and eveyone seemed to agree that something like the League of Nations was needed and would be a great benefit to the nations of the world.

Outside Information

Treaty Of Versailles
U.S Senate
Henry Cabot Lodge
Albert Beveridge
League of Nations
Republicans
Democrats
irreconcilables
resevationists
internationalists
William Borah
Jane Addams
France
England
Germany



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Kelby

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Kelby

Analysis of three documents for DBQ

 

Document A 

This document, which is from a speech by William Borah to the U.S. Senate, expresses Borahs disagreement with the Treaty of Versailles.  He states that he does not agree with the proposition of the establishment of the League of Nations. He is against the idea of the development of a tribunal to settle matters between different nations.  He does not agree that a board of individuals from outside of the United States should determine what is best for the U.S.  He argues that only Americans should decide what is right for America.  He does not believe that this the treaty as it is written will establish world peace but that conflict will arise from it.

 

I would site this document as evidence of the opposition to the treaty by members of the Senate.

 

 

Document E

 

This is a political cartoon from the Tribune Media Services.  In the cartoon, the bride and groom signify the marriage of the U.S. and foreign nations coming together in peace proceedings.  The minister is reading from the book that is entitled League of Nations.  The minister is stating that if any man can show just cause why they may not lawfully be joined together let him now speak and while he is speaking a person who signifies the U.S. Senate comes crashing through the window holding a document labeled constitutional rights.  This cartoon signifies the Senates disagreement with the President and the U.S. involvement in the Treaty of Versailles and League of Nations.

 

I would site this document to show evidence of the Senate opposition to the Treaty of Versailles.

 

 

Document G

 

This document is an excerpt from Woodrow Wilsons 1920 Appeal to the Country.  It is an appeal to the American people to accept the Treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations.  Wilson is asking the people if they want the Countrys honor to be vindicated and if they do then they must support Americas participation in the League of Nations and acceptance of the Treaty of Versailles.  He tells the people that America is seen as the light and leader of the world in regards to peoples rights and the rights of all free nations.  He is telling the people that the opponents of the League of Nations are trying to quench that light.

 

I would use this document to site Wilsons position in favor of the Treaty and his decision to appeal to the people rather than to consider recommended revisions of the Treaty by the Senate.

 

Outside Information

 

  1. Wilsons 14-point plan.  Wilson organized a peace document, which was a 14-point plan that he thought would bring stability to Europe by overcoming the force of greed and imperialism.  He believed that his plan would bring peace to the world.

 

  1. Article 10 of League covenant.  This was the key to security and pledged all members to respect and preserve against external aggression and territorial integrity of all members.  Senator Henry Cabot Lodge opposed Article 10 and wanted it modified.  Wilson refused to modify Article 10 to allow Congress the opportunity to decide whether the U.S. would support the League in time of crisis.

 

  1. Treaty of Berlin 1921.  The Senate killed the League Treaty in 1920, Wilson never saw the Versailles Treaty ratified.  The U.S. signed a separate treaty with Germany in 1921.

 

  1. Senator Henry Cabot Lodge.  Lodge was the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and the most powerful man in the Senate in 1918.  He and Woodrow Wilson did not care for each other so when Wilson went to Versailles for the peace talk he did not invite Lodge to go with him.  This created more conflict between the two and set the stage for Lodge to oppose the Treaty.

 

  1. Paris Peace Conference.   The conference was held in 1919 in Versailles. Wilson attended this conference and here he presented his plan for new international relations based on his fourteen points.  He won some points at the conference but also had to make some concessions, which were punitive to Germany.

 

 

Thesis

 

When Wilson returned from Europe and presented the Treaty of Versailles to the Senate, he was met with great opposition.  The leader of the opposition was Senator Henry Cabot Lodge. Other Republican senators who believed that the treaty was a threat to American democracy and independence joined him.  The Senate recommended some revisions to the treaty but Wilson disagreed.   Senate opposition forces against the treaty were strong but in the end, it was Wilsons unwillingness to compromise and his exclusion of key senators in the original negotiations that led to the Senate defeat of the Treaty of Versailles.



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Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.)

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Ok hows about we do this right

ID Terms

Fourteen Points

U.S. Business and Laissez Faire

States rights Democrats

Henry Cabot lodge

Entanglement

Isolationist

German and Italian-Americans

Irreconcilable Senators Borah and Johnson

U.S. Senate

Pluralism

League of Nations

Big Four

Alliance System

Treaty of Versailles

Herbert Hoover

W.E.B. Dubois

Reservationists

Election of 1920

Warren Harding

Albert  Beveridge

Republicans

Democrats

Internationalists

Jane Addams

France

England

Germany

Paris Peace Conference

Treaty of Berlin 1921

Article X of League Covenant



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Insanus Steliga Ferox (Dan S.)

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anna =] wrote:

Thesis Statement

The strong opposition of the Treaty of Versailles, which included the Senate's unwillingness to recognize America's place in the changing world and the senate's doubts about joining an organization run by others led to the treaty's initial defeat, rather than the stubborness of President Wilson.
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Ok I like your thesis statment but I feel like its missing something.  I would suggest making it a little bit broader to include more sources of information to support your arguement.



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Chris

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Thesis statement: President Wilsons stubbornness and inability to compromise more than external opposition led to the treatys defeat in congress. At the time many political and social leaders like W.E.B. DuBois and Jane Adams believed that international cooperation was a necessary good for mankind and supported joining a league of nations and creating a new world order that did away with imperialism and gave rise to independent sovereignty over colonial countries and regions.

Document B: In this document it speaks from a liberal point of view of the war and the treaty of Versailles. The writer says that instead of expressing a great recuperative effort ( for) civilization it does just the opposite by resorting back to the Old and ugly pre- WWI attitude and politics. Outside info: The treaty of Versailles marked the end (for the most part) of the fighting in WWI. Many people and their leaders believed that a global effort and cooperation was needed to prevent another war like WWI. However, instead of bringing the nations together as suggested by Wilsons 14 points, it tore many countries and regions apart (the Ottoman empire was entirely dissolved and was later carved up into separate regions and countries that would be consumed by European Imperial powers).

Document G: Here president Wilson entreats the citizens of America and goes to the people to make his case supporting the treaty of Versailles and the idea of a league of Nations. He describes what the founding fathers idea of America was, and that was the idea of the U.S. being a beacon of light to foreign nations as an example to them.

Outside Info: Wilsons description of America being a beacon of light goes all the way back to the Puritans at Mass. Bay who saw their new world and new way of life as being like a beacon of light (or a city on a hill) of piety and morality. Wilson is calling Americans to become just that, a people of moral and good character whose duty to their fellow man around the globe should not and can not be ignored. The combination of Wilsons speeches and the general fear of a second global conflict may have given him the added boost needed to ratify the treaty in congress if not for his stroke which left him unable to complete his task.

Doc H: Here W.E.B. DuBois describes Wilson and the republicans of being stubborn fools, and blames them for the defeat of the treaty of Versailles, thus not joining the League of Nations or sending delegates to the Geneva convention. DuBois says that regardless, the U.S. should and must join the league on the worlds terms and not on ours. If international cooperation is to be achieved then all nations not just the powerful ones or just our own should have a real say in international affairs.

Outside info: At Versailles DuBois attended with a congregation of delegates from several African nations who were barely acknowledged at the meeting. The meeting like the description in doc B, instead of aiding smaller oppressed colonial nations only the interests of the larger imperial powers were pursued.

Terms:

(Fear of) mechanized warfare (I.e. global conflict)

Article 10

International Alliance system

Recognition of Seas

14 Points

French (European) Empire(s)



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Kelby

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Anna Wrote:   The strong opposition of the Treaty of Versailles, which included the Senates unwillingness to recognize Americas place in the changing world and the senates doubts about joining an organization run by others led to the treatys initial defeat, rather than the stubbornness of President Wilson.

 

Anna I think that you are on the right track but dont you think that Wilsons refusal to compromise on some of the points contributed to the failure to ratify the Treaty?  I too believe that there was strong opposition by the Senate but I believe there may have been a possibility to ratify it if the President was open to compromise.



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Chris

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The fact that the opposition wanted to change and amend parts of the treaty only shows that they were interested (in some way) in the treaty and only after Wilsons refusal to compromise on the treaty did its support decline.



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Erin

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Kelby wrote:

Thesis

When Wilson returned from Europe and presented the Treaty of Versailles to the Senate, he was met with great opposition.  The leader of the opposition was Senator Henry Cabot Lodge. Other Republican senators who believed that the treaty was a threat to American democracy and independence joined him.  The Senate recommended some revisions to the treaty but Wilson disagreed.   Senate opposition forces against the treaty were strong but in the end, it was Wilsons unwillingness to compromise and his exclusion of key senators in the original negotiations that led to the Senate defeat of the Treaty of Versailles.




I think that the first few sentences of your thesis would be better off as part of your intro paragraph rather than being part of your thesis. The thesis yourself should probably start at "Senate opposition". Other than that it does have some good info in it.




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Anonymous

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Thesis:

There was a large opposition to the proposed League of Nations, and the strength of this opposition made it difficult for the plan to pass. The most prominent argument was that the Senate, who controls all treaties and foreign policy, would lose all power to the League.



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Erin

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Anonymous wrote:

Thesis:

There was a large opposition to the proposed League of Nations, and the strength of this opposition made it difficult for the plan to pass. The most prominent argument was that the Senate, who controls all treaties and foreign policy, would lose all power to the League.







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Thesis Statement:

The strength of the opposition of forces, both liberal and conservative led to the defeat of the Treaty of Versailles because the senate needed proper terms in order for change to happen effectively.

Outside Information:

PDF notes
Fourteen points
League of nations
Treaty of Versailles
Irreconcilables
Reservationists
Entanglement
Separation of powers
Big four

3 Documents

a- Basically says a treaty wont stop the war.
b- Was article from New Republic it stated that the war was not being fought for the correct reasons.
c- Talks about Wilson refusing to join the league of nations because he didnt get his way.

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